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[Kykevin]

It is amazing how rude people are when they can hide behind their computers. If
they cannot cut you down and call you a bad player, then they go for your gramme
or the way you spelled a word or composed a sentence. This message board must be
frequented by a bunch of stuck up English teachers that are unhappy with their
lives.   One thing I did not express as well as I meant, was that I do not feel
Partypoker or any site does it on purpose, but no program made by man can be
completely random. I read a book where a computer scientist, who was the best in
his field, said that no software made by man can be truly random. It is just the
flaw of being human that they are no way to make a program not have some kind of
pattern. I am not saying that the patterns have benefited me before, or that I
do not try to make them work for me. I am just saying patterns are there, and
all of you that think that online poker is completely random, just keep playing
and watch you bank roll disappear. The computer generates the cards and it can
pop anything it wants up on the screen. Just now, I was playing a free roll for
a seat in the WSOP to go to Vegas on Partypoker. I was an hour late, so when I
logged in I had lost 200 chips, no big deal right? The second hand I am dealt I
have pocket kings. I raise to 150, then a guy comes over top of me all in. I
call and he has a measly ace-ten. The flop comes and four jacks hit the board,
making my kings no good and his ace kicker golden. You have to be kidding me, at
least it only cost me bonus points, instead of real cash like usual. When is the
last time you have seen that happen? I have hit two straight flushes and have
seen a Royal Flush hit by another player. I have played in real card games for
years and I might not get two straight flushes in a year or even hear of someone
hitting a royal flush. I might be the worst card player on the planet, or I
might be the unluckiest, but I seriously doubt the cards are dealt randomly on
any Internet site. Internet poker can be as rigged as a poker machine. The card
generator can make any card come up, and in my case, it seems it happens at the
worst of times. I get bad beats in real games, I have lost more than 20k before,
so please do not think I am venting from one bad beat, conversely, I am just
thinking the deck is stacked to make these sites more money. They do not favor
one player over another, but rather the card generator juices the deck to make
two or more players have good drawing hands more often than in real games. They
are not favoring one player over another, but I know if I have a full house, I
am going to bet it hard, same thing as a having a set, but on partypoker it
seems that someone else always has the higher full house. They don't care if
player A or B wins or loses, but it does make more money for them if two players
are aggressively betting and that is why I believe the card generator makes
weird things happen more often to make them more money. People that are so sure
that a major gambling site would not do this, because it would ruin their
business is gullible. If they do get caught, they can claim a glitch in the
program and they know the majority of the players would not quit playing. They
can claim they got the deck back to random and player's with their heads in the
sand will keep playing. I wanted online poker to be honest,  because I have fun
at it and I am a trusting person until someone gives me a reason not to be. I
would not have dumped so much money if I did not think it was honest while I was
doing it. It is now that I look back on it, that maybe I got cheated. I think
maybe the rest of us are to. Sure I won a tournament for $5600 one time, sure I
have turned a $100 into a $1000, but any kind of long time winning is
impossible. Maybe it is just the ups and downs of poker, but maybe, it something
more than any of us has yet to consider. I know of no one that is up for the
year playing online, but I know plenty of people that make their living playing
live games and tournaments. I would like to see more comments and I appreciate
the people out there that took the time to read my post and discuss what they
thought. That is what message board are for, or is it?

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Necron99 wrote:

[torx]

long post.
of course you can't make a true random number generator with a computer,
it has to have some type of algorithm to generate 'random' numbers. but i
believe that it's random enough for any type of game.
B&M shuffling for sure is not random either. there's no way you can
shuffle a deck randomly.
that said, i do believe there are people who are lifetime winners online.
as long as it's just people you play against the best one will win.
now if you think you play against a computer that the site has, which
knows what cards are yet to come, then i agree, you can't beat that.
but as long as as it's a real person that clearly makes mistakes, the one
who makes less mistakes will win, or at least lose less.

On May 4 2005 3:26 AM, Kykevin wrote:

[Quest4urCash]

Worst "I can't beat the game, so it must be rigged" story ever.

On May 3 2005 8:26 PM, Kykevin wrote:

[Guest]

"One thing I did not express as well as I meant, was that I do not feel
Partypoker or any site does it on purpose, but no program made by man
can be completely random. I read a book where a computer scientist, who
was the best in his field, said that no software made by man can be
truly random. It is just the flaw of being human that they are no way
to make a program not have some kind of pattern."

It's easy to create a random number generator that uses the time (to
the thousandth of a second) as a seed, and that has a period of
billions of numbers before repeating. Is that "completely random"?
No, but it's a lot more random than a human shuffle. (Hence people who
beat blackjack through shuffle tracking.) If you played holdem
non-stop until the next Ice Age you would never detect any pattern.

If you think the online sites are so rigged, stop talking about how you
saw a board of JJJJ, and simply keep track of the cards that are dealt
in your next session and see if they're out of the range of random
expectation. If you think the flops are rigged, see how many of them
are 2-suited versus the percentage that should be. Otherwise, quit
whining. In five years of online poker, no one has come up with any
real evidence that the sites are rigged, and everyone who's actually
tracked the cards has found them to be fair. (search the archives for
Steve Brecher)

[Bistline]

< snip a bunch of gibberish >

This and your other post are completely unreadable. Try hitting the enter
key once in a while.
It seems you have a problem with on-line sites but I didn't read either
post. In the future I will refrain from clicking on anything you post.
Have a nice day.

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[monkeyman]

i agree it may not be perfectly random but it is close enough i have been
playing on line for a long time and i have a nice profit from it so it can be
done also i am not using any punctuation in this either since i have a headache
from reading such a long paragraph but i thought i would answer anyway just 
because i had an answer  and i am not hiding behind my computer saying this you
seem somewhat intelligent but you really need to learn how to use paragraphs so
that people can read what you write and on a side note  funny thing you
mentioned it i was an english teacher for a while but even if i werent most
people would like something easier to read next time

On May 3 2005 6:37 PM, Necron99 wrote:

[drewAA]

i don't remember which site it is, but part of their RNG includes input from
players at the table; this includes random mouse movement and typing among other
things. this feature by itself would be more than enough to convince me that the
cards were sufficiently random for fair play, online poker is not rigged.


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[Necron99]

Its random enough kevin ( what's the KY for?)
If in a real game I pick up the muck pile, make a deck and cut it once is that
random? How about after a shuffle or two, or three? When is a real deck going to
be random enough?
The software doesnt cheat, the cards are random to the point that it doesn't
matter, its your perception that is rigged.
Get over it.

On May 4 2005 10:56 AM, Kykevin wrote:

[Necron99]

Yes Russ I do. Having access to stats (about my site anyway) that you as an
outsider probably do not, I can confirm my statement.
The simple fact is that the statements made by 99.9% of players about bad beats,
rigging, stacked decks etc are formed on the basis of a subjective view of the
industry based on their own comparatively limited experience, not an objective
one.
The rationals put up to support the theory of site sponsored rigging do not
stand up to scrutiny and are not required to support the business model.
YES there is cheating in online poker, and shonky startup sites excluded it is
limited to collusion.

[Dragon Koi]

Good post. You are right about the way cards are generated and why it is
done. However, I do believe you can make a profit at OLP. Use what you know
to your advantage.

-/-
Esse Quam Videri

"Kykevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| It is amazing how rude people are when they can hide behind their
computers. If
| they cannot cut you down and call you a bad player, then they go for your
gramme
| or the way you spelled a word or composed a sentence. This message board
must be
| frequented by a bunch of stuck up English teachers that are unhappy with
their
| lives. One thing I did not express as well as I meant, was that I do not
feel
| Partypoker or any site does it on purpose, but no program made by man can
be
| completely random. I read a book where a computer scientist, who was the
best in
| his field, said that no software made by man can be truly random. It is
just the
| flaw of being human that they are no way to make a program not have some
kind of
| pattern. I am not saying that the patterns have benefited me before, or
that I
| do not try to make them work for me. I am just saying patterns are there,
and
| all of you that think that online poker is completely random, just keep
playing
| and watch you bank roll disappear. The computer generates the cards and
it can
| pop anything it wants up on the screen. Just now, I was playing a free
roll for
| a seat in the WSOP to go to Vegas on Partypoker. I was an hour late, so
when I
| logged in I had lost 200 chips, no big deal right? The second hand I am
dealt I
| have pocket kings. I raise to 150, then a guy comes over top of me all in.
I
| call and he has a measly ace-ten. The flop comes and four jacks hit the
board,
| making my kings no good and his ace kicker golden. You have to be kidding
me, at
| least it only cost me bonus points, instead of real cash like usual. When
is the
| last time you have seen that happen? I have hit two straight flushes and
have
| seen a Royal Flush hit by another player. I have played in real card games
for
| years and I might not get two straight flushes in a year or even hear of
someone
| hitting a royal flush. I might be the worst card player on the planet, or
I
| might be the unluckiest, but I seriously doubt the cards are dealt
randomly on
| any Internet site. Internet poker can be as rigged as a poker machine. The
card
| generator can make any card come up, and in my case, it seems it happens
at the
| worst of times. I get bad beats in real games, I have lost more than 20k
before,
| so please do not think I am venting from one bad beat, conversely, I am
just
| thinking the deck is stacked to make these sites more money. They do not
favor
| one player over another, but rather the card generator juices the deck to
make
| two or more players have good drawing hands more often than in real games.
They
| are not favoring one player over another, but I know if I have a full
house, I
| am going to bet it hard, same thing as a having a set, but on partypoker
it
| seems that someone else always has the higher full house. They don't care
if
| player A or B wins or loses, but it does make more money for them if two
players
| are aggressively betting and that is why I believe the card generator
makes
| weird things happen more often to make them more money. People that are
so sure
| that a major gambling site would not do this, because it would ruin their
| business is gullible. If they do get caught, they can claim a glitch in
the
| program and they know the majority of the players would not quit playing.
They
| can claim they got the deck back to random and player's with their heads
in the
| sand will keep playing. I wanted online poker to be honest, because I have
fun
| at it and I am a trusting person until someone gives me a reason not to
be. I
| would not have dumped so much money if I did not think it was honest while
I was
| doing it. It is now that I look back on it, that maybe I got cheated. I
think
| maybe the rest of us are to. Sure I won a tournament for $5600 one time,
sure I
| have turned a $100 into a $1000, but any kind of long time winning is
| impossible. Maybe it is just the ups and downs of poker, but maybe, it
something
| more than any of us has yet to consider. I know of no one that is up for
the
| year playing online, but I know plenty of people that make their living
playing
| live games and tournaments. I would like to see more comments and I
appreciate
| the people out there that took the time to read my post and discuss what
they
| thought. That is what message board are for, or is it?
|
| _______________________________________________________________
| * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

[ChicagoTRS]

The lament of the losing online player....

Personally I don't care if they are random or not, all I know is I win...so the
random cards poker computer gods must like me.  Whatever works...as long as they
keep sending me checks.

There are many people making a lot of money online playing poker.  Good online
players make money period. 

Some players can be successful B&M players and lose online...it is a different
game that does take some different skills.  There are different aspects of the
game that some have a hard time adjusting too. 

On May 3 2005 8:26 PM, Kykevin wrote:

[Prowler]

I tried, but this is to difficult, consider paragraohs next time?

On May 3 2005 9:26 PM, Kykevin wrote:

[lesifer]

*Sounds to me like you're just thinking too much and not playing enough.
Stop whining about getting beat and play smarter.*


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On May 4 2005 2:26 AM, Kykevin wrote: