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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you have a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never seems
that way.
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Necron99 Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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Hmmm, what about all the A,x that folds against you on the flop or turn?
Aren't you only comparing your poker pairs against the A,x that beat you?
On May 4 2005 11:13 AM, Bender2004 wrote:
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Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never seems
that way.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:30 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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Ace rag (low, crappy kicker) sucks.
First problem: what to do pre-flop, and positon.
Second, what if an ace comes? Do you bet, if you get raised, what do you do?
Only time Ace rag is a good hand is heads up.
Don't play Ace rag unless:
a. You have positon.
b. People show weakness.
c. In the blinds without a raise to you.
And be careful after the flop. Very likely you will lose more with Ace rag than
win.
On May 3 2005 9:52 PM, Necron99 wrote:
Quote: | Hmmm, what about all the A,x that folds against you on the flop or turn?
Aren't you only comparing your poker pairs against the A,x that beat you?
On May 4 2005 11:13 AM, Bender2004 wrote:
Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you
have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything really
a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never seems
that way.
$10 Razz Tournament Winner at Full Tilt "Not a big win, but it's a start
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Please don't tap on the glass.....
Standing corrected on apostrophe abuse
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ChicagoTRS Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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Ace - rag unsuited is a garbage hand. It is a hand where you will generally win
some small pots but lose larger pots.
Ace/rag suited is worth playing if you can limp in NL..for the nut flush
opportunities.
On May 3 2005 8:43 PM, Bender2004 wrote:
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Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never seems
that way.
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richiematt Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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On May 3 2005 9:43 PM, Bender2004 wrote:
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Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never seems
that way.
$10 Razz Tournament Winner at Full Tilt "Not a big win, but it's a start "
Ax can beat any pocket pair except aces. It's a dog to pocket pairs and any good |
A (A10, AJ etc.)
I've gone all-in with KK and been beat by Ax many times. For every one win there
will be 3 losses.
I fold Ax in all positions unless head up or aginst the blinds only it's a trap
hand.
Richie
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paulyballs Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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On May 3 2005 11:47 PM, richiematt wrote:
Quote: | On May 3 2005 9:43 PM, Bender2004 wrote:
Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you
have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything
really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never
seems
that way.
$10 Razz Tournament Winner at Full Tilt "Not a big win, but it's a start
"
Ax can beat any pocket pair except aces. It's a dog to pocket pairs and any
good
A (A10, AJ etc.)
I've gone all-in with KK and been beat by Ax many times. For every one win
there
will be 3 losses.
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Wait, how is this correct? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Please
correct me if I'm wrong. KK is about a 70% favorite over Ax preflop.
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I fold Ax in all positions unless head up or aginst the blinds only it's a
trap
hand.
Richie
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richiematt Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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On May 4 2005 12:10 AM, paulyballs wrote:
Quote: | On May 3 2005 11:47 PM, richiematt wrote:
On May 3 2005 9:43 PM, Bender2004 wrote:
Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say you
have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything
really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never
seems
that way.
$10 Razz Tournament Winner at Full Tilt "Not a big win, but it's a start
"
Ax can beat any pocket pair except aces. It's a dog to pocket pairs and any
good
A (A10, AJ etc.)
I've gone all-in with KK and been beat by Ax many times. For every one win
there
will be 3 losses.
Wait, how is this correct? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Please
correct me if I'm wrong. KK is about a 70% favorite over Ax preflop.
For every one win with Ax there will be three losses. Of course I was talking |
about Ax, isn't that what this is about?
Richie
Quote: | I fold Ax in all positions unless head up or aginst the blinds only it's a
trap
hand.
Richie
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paulyballs Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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On May 4 2005 12:45 AM, richiematt wrote:
Quote: | On May 4 2005 12:10 AM, paulyballs wrote:
On May 3 2005 11:47 PM, richiematt wrote:
On May 3 2005 9:43 PM, Bender2004 wrote:
Okay I'm tired of this beat. Tell me am I totally wrong here but say
you
have
a
pocket pair like 9 9 and you go up against A 5 or something for all
your
money. How many times is it that ace actually comes out. Should I start
playing
more of the weak aces or stick to the pocket pairs. Is ace anything
really a
hand worth playing, maybe I'm doing something wrong when I take in a
pair
against a weak ace. I know the odds are 2:1 in my favor, but it never
seems
that way.
$10 Razz Tournament Winner at Full Tilt "Not a big win, but it's a
start
"
Ax can beat any pocket pair except aces. It's a dog to pocket pairs and
any
good
A (A10, AJ etc.)
I've gone all-in with KK and been beat by Ax many times. For every one
win
there
will be 3 losses.
Wait, how is this correct? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Please
correct me if I'm wrong. KK is about a 70% favorite over Ax preflop.
For every one win with Ax there will be three losses. Of course I was talking
about Ax, isn't that what this is about?
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Yeah that's what I thought...just misinterpreted your response.
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Richie
I fold Ax in all positions unless head up or aginst the blinds only it's
a
trap
hand.
Richie
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Chris Constantine Guest
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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Richie,
You are wrong to say "of course".
You wrote that "KK (has) been beat by Ax many times. For every one win
there wil be three losses."
There's an immediate equation here: you've been beat many times with KK
and for every time you won you lost three times. YOU know what you meant
and you were thinking of the subject heading but many of us who read your
post were misdirected.
It is claimed that english can be a very difficult language. I'm not tryng
to be funny here, just pointing out that all public writing should be
reviewed/edited before posting/publishing and is subject to clarification.
I have stood corrected a thousand times and stand straighter for it.
Richie:
Quote: | I've gone all-in with KK and been beat by Ax many times. For every one win
there
will be 3 losses.
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Quote: | Wait, how is this correct? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Please
correct me if I'm wrong. KK is about a 70% favorite over Ax preflop.
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Richie:
For every one win with Ax there will be three losses. Of course I was
talking
about Ax, isn't that what this is about?
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Is ace anything really a good hand. |
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Ace low is really not a good hand. The thing about it is it is a very
common hand, so
when people overplay this you notice it. Since it is easy to get, and
overplayed so often, frequently you get beat by it.
One thing that I found is that if you play at a table for a few hours,
you get a very good idea on how EVERYONE at the table plays Ax. You
will know the players who overplay these hands, and have a better idea
who to watch out for if an Ace flops and who to try to go up against
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