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[Gregg Cattanach]

I saw the Travel Channel show "Gambling with the Pros" last night, and they
had a section with the "Dice Coach", Beau. He demonstrated his throwing
technique on what looked like his 'practice' table. The dice were clearly
flying all over the place after they hit the felt; he threw them about 4
times for the camera. Visibly nothing close to maintaining any axis
control. This from, I guess, one of the experts. He did set and hold them
quite nicely, though.

They also had a quote from a casino manager (maybe from the Luxor) about
controlled shooters at Craps:

"People that think they're going to win are going to play and continue to
play. Basically they (the Dice Influencers) are our best players."

If you know exactly why "good player" means to the people that run casinos,
you'll know exactly what they think of 'precision' shooters (or at least
this manager).

--
Gregg C.

[Mr. V]

I am still awaiting verification, e.g. via slow motion video, that dice
setters can in fact keep the dice on axis from the moment they leave
their hands until they come to rest, time after time.

Poor Beau.

Four in a row, eh?

His supporters will claim he was having an off day, or sweaty palms
from the TV lights, no doubt.

Beau can now add craps to blackjack as being two games at which he's
been soundly spanked on a gambling TV show.

Still, the sheep keep coming to he and the other gurus of the bones.

Such is the power of Desperation, Greed, and Faith.

roll dem bones

[Michael Jones]

Beau threw from the farthest part of the table and his dice looked just
like any random rollers. This is the guy who lost on the A&E special
and now he shows his form once again on the Travel Channel. Can anyone
believe this guy really has the skills to control the dice? What a
joke!

Next I read an article by him advocating a parley on the hopping 7s.
That is insane as the house has an edge in the double digits on a hop
bet. I think even if there were dice controllers who could overcome
that edge, it would make more sense to bet smaller edge bets so you
make more money.

What I also saw on Travel Channel was an older woman who says she
doesn't practice any more but uses money management in order to win.
Huh? How does that overcome the edge?

These are supposed to be experts?

Then there was some nutty systems guy on the show who said you have to
have a system in craps to use when you bet. Yeah, the system I am going
to use is to not follow Beau and his brigade of losers. That makes
sense to me.

[Guest]

" That is insane as the house has an edge in the double digits on a hop
bet."

No not really. This is a bet I make everytime I play. Using a set
called the all 7's set with 4 combos on the faces if the toss keeps the
dice on axis there is a 25% (4 of 16) chance to hit the 7. After 1 hit
I usually go to $5 each. Yesterday the best I did was 2 hits in a row.
My personal best is 5 times in a row, which I have done a couple of
times.

It is not for everyone but it can be profitable.


Golfer

[alan]

I havent seen the show yet but I do have a question:

Are the dice "throws" shown from start to finish without an EDIT ??

Im sorry to say that these shows are notorious for editing video
sequences. sometimes, the result of one throw is matched to the start
of a different throw, and so on.

I had a rude awakening during my last visit to Caesars: a top exec
confessed that the TV show episode showing the slot player hitting for
a million bucks was a RECREATION -- the camera was not really there
when it happened.

Ive also noticed how dice throwing shots in various shows are edited.

Bottom line: you are not seeing the real throw, period.

So what you see on TV is evidence of NOTHING-- pro or con.

Michael Jones wrote:

[Mr. V]

"So what you see on TV is evidence of NOTHING-- pro or con."

An astounding conclusion for a TV reporter.

We never really did put a man on the moon, those videos of the tsunami
were faked, and the WTC is still standing.

All done with smoke, mirrors, and an LA soundstage, right?

roll dem bones

[Richard]

On 4 Apr 2005 19:27:37 -0700, "Mr. V" <[email protected]> wrote:

[acpa]

"Michael Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[acpa]

"alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

[Bob R]

"Michael Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:

[Gregg Cattanach]

alan wrote:

[Gregg Cattanach]

alan wrote:

[Sancho Panza]

"alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[alan]

Thank you Richard, you got it right. There is a difference between
"news" and "entertainment shows."

Like I said previously, I havent seen the show, but I am asking you to
note for yourselves: are they showing an unedited throw of the dice?

Also, have additional shots been added to the sequences for editing?
Meaning, were there "post production" shots that were "cut into" the
original video?

Put it another way: would this video stand up in court?

Now, should the video be uncut and unedited, let me ask this: what was
the purpose of the roll? was it designed to stay on axis or just to
avoid the seven or?

think more like a journalist, Mr V, and less like a troll.

[alan]

Gregg wrote: "Every shot was clearly at the same table with the same
green dice."

Gregg, I dont want to be put into a position of defending something
that I had no part of, but let me point out the following:

Being at the same table with the same green dice does not mean the
video was not edited or "post produced." Its amazing what can be done
in an edit room these days.

Let me ask the following:

1. Was the program presented as an examination of Beau's skills? If it
was not it is possible that there was editing done for presentation
purposes. If it was presented as a true "examination" then any
alteration of the video would not be proper.

2. Did it appear that there was a change in the video-- so that there
wasnt a complete video of the entire time of the dice from being in
hand to the time they stopped motion on the table? If not, there was
an edit, and if there was an edit we don't know what portions of what
rolls and results were used. Hence, no "evidence" is presented.