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Keeno
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 Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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| Quote: | I'd say this is still cheating because it is doing something INHUMAN
like detecting spin rates or "super-accurately" counting cards or
exploiting RNG algorithms that a human ALONE could not do. Whereas
regular card counting is just using skill, these folks are using
mechanisms and computers to overcome the odds which is "passive
cheating" and I can see it being banned. I don't know if they should
be able to put folks in jail for it though. Banning and barring is
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thing but jail is another.
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Well, I wasn't suggesting using a computer. If you realize that every
time the dealer releases the ball in front of the zero that the same
group of numbers come up, I think any court in the country would have
trouble classifying this as cheating. |
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alan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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If the wheel spins at a constant rate, at what point and how do they
stop the wheel so the ball can stop in a slot? if the wheel spins too
quickly the ball will get knocked around and won't be able to stop in a
slot, no?? |
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ACDOC
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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MomeyLA:
In Europe, they will stop the wheel then reverse the direction of the
spin. The rate of spin can be quite variable.
Here in the US, most croupiers/dealers can scoop up the ball from a
spinning roulette wheel and give it a slight boost at the same time to
keep the rate of spin within a "comfortable" spin rate so that the ball
doesn't take too long to settle, and they can scoop up the ball quickly.
You don't need a computer to predict the strike, just the right wheel and
technique. It is easier to do than you think. But, it can carry alot of
variance/volatility along with it. A double zero wheel has a large enough
HA to make it a challenge to overcome.
They can also call, "No more bets!" earlier to foil wheel clockers.
I prefer DI and Craps. |
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Mason
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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"alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If the wheel spins at a constant rate, at what point and how do they
stop the wheel so the ball can stop in a slot? if the wheel spins too
quickly the ball will get knocked around and won't be able to stop in a
slot, no??
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Physics ain't your bag either, is it? |
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alan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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| No physics, just economics. |
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The Midnight Skulker
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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| Quote: | Some long time roulette punters claim to be able to [predict the
section of the wheel where the ball will land] without electronic aids
(Visual Ballistics), at least when the dealer regularly spins the
wheel and the ball with consistent force.
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Regarding dealer signatures, the following is from a post made by a
dealer in South Lake Tahoe (at the time).
I've noticed a lot of posts about betting the sections, outside
bets, etc. ... This method is based on a "biased" wheel. In order
to maximize your probability of a win you are supposed to observe
what numbers hit in what sections and bet accordingly. I'm about to
burst a few bubbles here. I hate to break this news to you but, as
a dealer, I am trained to keep the game as random as possible. If I
notice I am hitting numbers in a certain section of the wheel, I am
supposed to change spin speed, wheel speed, ball size, timing of
when I spin, any or all of these variables. Some casinos have the
dealers vary the spin direction of the ball and/or wheel as well.
All of these factors insure the radomness [sic] of the game.
(To view the complete article do a Google search on "Heather" and
"roulette" in rec.gambling.craps for the date June 20, 1998.)
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The Midnight Skulker
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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| Quote: | If the wheel spins at a constant rate, at what point and how do they
stop the wheel so the ball can stop in a slot? if the wheel spins too
quickly the ball will get knocked around and won't be able to stop in
a slot, no??
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We're not looking at hundreds of revolutions per minute, alan! I have
not played roulette in decades but I would guess the wheel spins at
about 6 RPM. At that rate, and with big enough slots, gravity is
sufficient to allow the ball to land in a slot without having to stop
the wheel.
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acpa
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:25 am Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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"The Midnight Skulker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Quote: | Some long time roulette punters claim to be able to [predict the
section of the wheel where the ball will land] without electronic aids
(Visual Ballistics), at least when the dealer regularly spins the
wheel and the ball with consistent force.
Regarding dealer signatures, the following is from a post made by a
dealer in South Lake Tahoe (at the time).
I've noticed a lot of posts about betting the sections, outside
bets, etc. ... This method is based on a "biased" wheel. In order
to maximize your probability of a win you are supposed to observe
what numbers hit in what sections and bet accordingly. I'm about to
burst a few bubbles here. I hate to break this news to you but, as
a dealer, I am trained to keep the game as random as possible. If I
notice I am hitting numbers in a certain section of the wheel, I am
supposed to change spin speed, wheel speed, ball size, timing of
when I spin, any or all of these variables. Some casinos have the
dealers vary the spin direction of the ball and/or wheel as well.
All of these factors insure the radomness [sic] of the game.
(To view the complete article do a Google search on "Heather" and
"roulette" in rec.gambling.craps for the date June 20, 1998.)
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9 * 3 aka Van Lewis
aka [email protected]
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Hey Van, |
Is that the Heather who worked at Bill's and use to post here?
Noah |
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The Midnight Skulker
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: roulette clocking |
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| Quote: | Is that the Heather who worked at Bill's and use to post here?
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None other than.
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