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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: Press strategy needed please 


Hi everyone.
I love the game of craps and I consider breaking even a win. With that
in mind I like to use the casino's cash to increase my bets. I am
unsure how I can do this with my current betting pattern.
I play the standard pass with single unit odds, with 2 come bets with
single unit odds.
My bankroll isn't huge which is the reason for single unit odds on
each. I know I could use the money to put more on the pass instead of
making 2 come bets but I like to be on more than one number (it's what
makes the game more enjoyable for me)
Can anyone provide me a press strategy with my pattern using the
winnings ? Remember I consider breaking even for a shooter a "win".
Even losing $5 a shooter isn't considered terrible.
I typically play the $5 tables so at max risk I have $1011 pass (5
with 5 or 6 odds) with the same applying to 2 come bets.. So I have
3033 at risk worst case.
Thanks for you ideas! 

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Alan Shank Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


On 4 Apr 2005 08:24:42 0700, [email protected] wrote:
Quote:  I play the standard pass with single unit odds, with 2 come bets with
single unit odds.
My bankroll isn't huge which is the reason for single unit odds on
each. I know I could use the money to put more on the pass instead of
making 2 come bets but I like to be on more than one number (it's what
makes the game more enjoyable for me)

If you put more on the pass instead of the come, and still take single
odds, you increase variance without increasing expected loss. That
just means you are likely to have wider swings in bankroll. However,
if, instead, you put the come money on more odds, you lower the
expected loss with a slight increase in variance, because you are
exposing less $ to the HA on the line. Maybe not as much fun, but
lowering the expected loss may trip your trigger. >
Quote: 
Can anyone provide me a press strategy with my pattern using the
winnings ? Remember I consider breaking even for a shooter a "win".
Even losing $5 a shooter isn't considered terrible.
First, let me say: it's NOT the casino's money  it's YOUR money as 
soon as you win it.
If I were you, I would consider using winning to increase the odds you
take, not the line bets. Most casinos offer at least 3,4,5X odds now,
so if you are starting at single odds and win, repeat the line bet and
bump the odds when you get a point. For example:
$5 + $5 on 4/10, win $15
$5 + $6 on 5/9, win $14
$5 + $5 on 6/8, win $11
next, $5 line, if:
point 4/10: take $6 or $7 odds
point 5/9: take $8 odds
point 6/8: take $10 odds
For 6/8, you have to increment by $5 to get correct payoff, but for
5/9 you can do $2 increments, and $1 on 4/10, if you wish.
Just an idea for you to consider. The more money you bet on odds
instead of the line, the less money is subject to the HA, since there
is no HA on the odds.
Cheers,
Alan Shank 

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Jim Ferr Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Quote:  Can anyone provide me a press strategy with my >pattern using the
winnings ? Remember I consider breaking even >for a shooter a "win".
Even losing $5 a shooter isn't considered terrible.

This is not a "press strategy" but it is similar to what you do and one
of my favorites, as posted on my web site:
Revised July 29, 2004
Pass & come with odds
This is my own variation of the BDalt method which is mentioned on my
original site.
My only bets with this method are the pass line, odds behind the pass
line, and come bets with odds bets on them. The odds bets are only
single or double (as long as we are paid the correct odds).
Step 1, Table Selection
Let's start by picking the table. We will be looking for a table that
is fairly hot. We are looking for as many as possible of these table
selection rules (as modified in Step 2): Are there other players who
are happy and winning bets? Do some of them have "many" chips with at
least some "higher" denomination ($25 and up) chips? Are the dealers
cheery and joining in the fun? Are there at least several bets on the
center bets such as hardways or yo, et cetera? These are usually signs
of a relatively hot table. It is not very likely that these conditions
will be present or suddenly appear on a cold or choppy table. We
should never play this method at a cold or choppy table.
Step 2, Beginning Betting
If most of the qualifications in Step 1 are there (we do not need all
of them as long as we feel that it is a hot or very warm table), then I
can make a bet in the amount of the table minimum (or any other
appropriate amount consistent with my current bankroll and this playing
method pursuant to Step 4) on the pass line. I will keep making this
bet until a point is established. When a point is established I will
then take double odds behind the pass line bet plus make a come bet in
the same amount as the pass bet. I will keep repeating that come bet
as long as there are naturals or craps for the come bet. If there is
a sevenout for the original pass line bet while the come bet is on its
comeout roll, then that comeout bet will win and I will start over,
including a decision as to the table selection to see if it is still
"qualified" in accordance with Step 1, and double odds on the pass and
double odds on one come bet if the table is still qualified. If the
come bet goes onto a number, then I will make a double odds bet on the
come bet. That is it for now. We will remain with a pass line bet
with double odds and a come bet with double odds until we have a 7out,
make the point, or win the come bet.
Step 3, Later Betting
When either the pass line bet (with double odds) or the come bet (with
double odds) wins by making a point (this does not apply to winning
either bet with a natural), then reduce all of the odds to single odds
and try to get 2 come bets with single odds instead of only one with
double odds (in addition to the pass line bet also reduced to single
odds). Replace any come bets that win with a come bet and single odds.
If the pass line bet wins, replace it with another pass line bet and
if a point is rolled, then make a single odds bet behind it. Keep
betting until there is a sevenout, regardless of how much you are
winning or losing. The stop loss (in step 4) comes into effect only
after a sevenout. This is an essential rule to remember and to
follow! The table default for odds bet is usually that they are not
working on the comeout roll, and we will keep it that way.
Step 4, Bankroll and Stop Loss
I play this method with a bankroll of approximately 20 units. One unit
is the amount of the single odds bet which we are making. As an
example, if we are betting $3 on pass and $3 on come (and the
appropriate odds bets), then the bankroll is approximately $60. I would
probably buy in with $100 in chips (you will understand the reason
soon). I would stop if I lost $36 (twelve units) or more (needing as
much as approximately 20 units because of having to wait for the
sevenout). I would need enough to make all of the bets. If I am
playing with $5 bets on the pass and come, then I would probably also
need a bankroll of about $100, but probably not lose more than about
$75. When I lose $60 or more (after the sevenout), which is 12 units,
I would stop and rest or find another qualified table. I would not
remain and keep playing at the same table.
Step 5, Counting the Chips
I will count my chips, evaluate my play and apply the table selection
rules after each sevenout with no exception. If I am losing, but not
past the stop loss, I will start over and proceed according to Step 2.
If I am winning, but not past the stopping amount, then I will proceed
according to Step 6.
Step 6, Stopping When Winning
When I am winning 7 units or more after the sevenout I will stop and
find another qualified table; or, I will wait until this table gets
cold and then hot again before playing again at the same table. If
(after a sevenout) I am winning, but it is less than 7 units, then I
will start over as in step 2 (if the table is still qualified) with
only two bets and double odds. Then, after the next sevenout I will
again see if I am winning a total of 7 units or more and then follow
these rules.
Step 7, The Odds Bets
There is one important factor about the odds bets. We must always make
a bet in an amount that will pay the correct odds. As an example, if
we are playing at a $3 table and we make a double odds bet with the
point of 6, double odds on $3 would be $6. To get the correct odds,
the bet should be $5 or $10, which will pay $6 or $12, respectively, on
a win. Therefore, with the $3 pass line bet I would make a $5 odds bet
if the point is 6 or 8. This would be regardless of whether I am
making single or double odds bets at the time (because we want to get
the correct odds and yet not bet too much). It would always be $5 on
the 6 or 8 under these conditions (and we would not double that bet).
Let us suppose that we are at that same $3 table and making single odds
bets with the point being 5, which pays 3 to 2. We would have to bet
$4 in order to be paid the correct odds for a single odds bet and $6
for double odds. Each different pass bet creates its own problems and
solutions according to these rules. I will not discuss any more of
them. Any solution is satisfactory, as long as we are consistent.
On a $3 table for the 4/10 the bets are $3 & $6; for the 5/9 they are
$4 & $6; for the 6/8 they are always $5. On a $5 table for the 4/10
the bets are $5 & $10; for the 5/9 they are $6 & 10; for the 6/8 they
are $5 & 10.
My results using this playing method are as follows (these are all in
Nevada):
Sep 29, 2002 Goldstrike won $60
Sep 30, 2002 4Queens won $11(used $3 units)
Sep 30, 2002 Fremont won $56
May 31, 2003 Goldstrike won $24
May 31, 2003 Nevada Landing lost $69
May 31, 2003 Gold Strike won $90
June 1, 2003 Lady Luck lost $24
June 1, 2003 Lady Luck won $30
This is a total win of $271 in six sessions, and losses of $93 in two
sessions, for a net win of $178... it is an average win of $45.16 in
the 6 winning sessions and an average loss of $46.50 in the 2 losing
sessions. However, the average total win is only $22.25 ($178 divided
by per session. Other than on Sept 30, 2002, I did not track the
units that I was using. I am satisfied with these results of the 8
sessions. The secret is not to be greedy and to follow the money
management rules. You should also not play on a table that is not
properly qualified, no matter how desperate you are to play. I played
July 13 & 14, 2003 without following the rules for qualifying the
table. The one time that I did it properly I won and the other times I
lost. Since it was not a valid test, these results do not appear here.
"Jim the System Man"
Everything on my web pages is
Totally FREE with nothing to sell
http://hometown.aol.com/jimferr/profile.html 

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alan Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Since you are already a come bettor, stick with your strategy, and
press to double odds from your current single odds.
if you were a place bettor, I would have suggested that you use your
wins to press from the inside numbers outward.
regardless of the system  come or place  be sure you have won back
your original outlay before pressing.
Jim Ferr wrote:
Quote:  Can anyone provide me a press strategy with my >pattern using the
winnings ? Remember I consider breaking even >for a shooter a
"win".
Even losing $5 a shooter isn't considered terrible.
This is not a "press strategy" but it is similar to what you do and
one
of my favorites, as posted on my web site:
Revised July 29, 2004
Pass & come with odds
This is my own variation of the BDalt method which is mentioned on
my
original site.
My only bets with this method are the pass line, odds behind the pass
line, and come bets with odds bets on them. The odds bets are only
single or double (as long as we are paid the correct odds).
Step 1, Table Selection
Let's start by picking the table. We will be looking for a table
that
is fairly hot. We are looking for as many as possible of these
table
selection rules (as modified in Step 2): Are there other players who
are happy and winning bets? Do some of them have "many" chips with at
least some "higher" denomination ($25 and up) chips? Are the dealers
cheery and joining in the fun? Are there at least several bets on the
center bets such as hardways or yo, et cetera? These are usually
signs
of a relatively hot table. It is not very likely that these
conditions
will be present or suddenly appear on a cold or choppy table. We
should never play this method at a cold or choppy table.
Step 2, Beginning Betting
If most of the qualifications in Step 1 are there (we do not need all
of them as long as we feel that it is a hot or very warm table), then
I
can make a bet in the amount of the table minimum (or any other
appropriate amount consistent with my current bankroll and this
playing
method pursuant to Step 4) on the pass line. I will keep making this
bet until a point is established. When a point is established I will
then take double odds behind the pass line bet plus make a come bet
in
the same amount as the pass bet. I will keep repeating that come bet
as long as there are naturals or craps for the come bet. If there
is
a sevenout for the original pass line bet while the come bet is on
its
comeout roll, then that comeout bet will win and I will start over,
including a decision as to the table selection to see if it is still
"qualified" in accordance with Step 1, and double odds on the pass
and
double odds on one come bet if the table is still qualified. If the
come bet goes onto a number, then I will make a double odds bet on
the
come bet. That is it for now. We will remain with a pass line bet
with double odds and a come bet with double odds until we have a
7out,
make the point, or win the come bet.
Step 3, Later Betting
When either the pass line bet (with double odds) or the come bet
(with
double odds) wins by making a point (this does not apply to winning
either bet with a natural), then reduce all of the odds to single
odds
and try to get 2 come bets with single odds instead of only one with
double odds (in addition to the pass line bet also reduced to single
odds). Replace any come bets that win with a come bet and single
odds.
If the pass line bet wins, replace it with another pass line bet
and
if a point is rolled, then make a single odds bet behind it. Keep
betting until there is a sevenout, regardless of how much you are
winning or losing. The stop loss (in step 4) comes into effect only
after a sevenout. This is an essential rule to remember and to
follow! The table default for odds bet is usually that they are not
working on the comeout roll, and we will keep it that way.
Step 4, Bankroll and Stop Loss
I play this method with a bankroll of approximately 20 units. One
unit
is the amount of the single odds bet which we are making. As an
example, if we are betting $3 on pass and $3 on come (and the
appropriate odds bets), then the bankroll is approximately $60. I
would
probably buy in with $100 in chips (you will understand the reason
soon). I would stop if I lost $36 (twelve units) or more (needing as
much as approximately 20 units because of having to wait for the
sevenout). I would need enough to make all of the bets. If I am
playing with $5 bets on the pass and come, then I would probably also
need a bankroll of about $100, but probably not lose more than about
$75. When I lose $60 or more (after the sevenout), which is 12
units,
I would stop and rest or find another qualified table. I would not
remain and keep playing at the same table.
Step 5, Counting the Chips
I will count my chips, evaluate my play and apply the table selection
rules after each sevenout with no exception. If I am losing, but
not
past the stop loss, I will start over and proceed according to Step
2.
If I am winning, but not past the stopping amount, then I will
proceed
according to Step 6.
Step 6, Stopping When Winning
When I am winning 7 units or more after the sevenout I will stop and
find another qualified table; or, I will wait until this table gets
cold and then hot again before playing again at the same table. If
(after a sevenout) I am winning, but it is less than 7 units, then I
will start over as in step 2 (if the table is still qualified) with
only two bets and double odds. Then, after the next sevenout I will
again see if I am winning a total of 7 units or more and then follow
these rules.
Step 7, The Odds Bets
There is one important factor about the odds bets. We must always
make
a bet in an amount that will pay the correct odds. As an example, if
we are playing at a $3 table and we make a double odds bet with the
point of 6, double odds on $3 would be $6. To get the correct odds,
the bet should be $5 or $10, which will pay $6 or $12, respectively,
on
a win. Therefore, with the $3 pass line bet I would make a $5 odds
bet
if the point is 6 or 8. This would be regardless of whether I am
making single or double odds bets at the time (because we want to get
the correct odds and yet not bet too much). It would always be $5
on
the 6 or 8 under these conditions (and we would not double that bet).
Let us suppose that we are at that same $3 table and making single
odds
bets with the point being 5, which pays 3 to 2. We would have to bet
$4 in order to be paid the correct odds for a single odds bet and $6
for double odds. Each different pass bet creates its own problems
and
solutions according to these rules. I will not discuss any more of
them. Any solution is satisfactory, as long as we are consistent.
On a $3 table for the 4/10 the bets are $3 & $6; for the 5/9 they are
$4 & $6; for the 6/8 they are always $5. On a $5 table for the 4/10
the bets are $5 & $10; for the 5/9 they are $6 & 10; for the 6/8 they
are $5 & 10.
My results using this playing method are as follows (these are all in
Nevada):
Sep 29, 2002 Goldstrike won $60
Sep 30, 2002 4Queens won $11(used $3 units)
Sep 30, 2002 Fremont won $56
May 31, 2003 Goldstrike won $24
May 31, 2003 Nevada Landing lost $69
May 31, 2003 Gold Strike won $90
June 1, 2003 Lady Luck lost $24
June 1, 2003 Lady Luck won $30
This is a total win of $271 in six sessions, and losses of $93 in two
sessions, for a net win of $178... it is an average win of $45.16 in
the 6 winning sessions and an average loss of $46.50 in the 2 losing
sessions. However, the average total win is only $22.25 ($178
divided
by per session. Other than on Sept 30, 2002, I did not track the
units that I was using. I am satisfied with these results of the 8
sessions. The secret is not to be greedy and to follow the money
management rules. You should also not play on a table that is not
properly qualified, no matter how desperate you are to play. I
played
July 13 & 14, 2003 without following the rules for qualifying the
table. The one time that I did it properly I won and the other times
I
lost. Since it was not a valid test, these results do not appear
here.
"Jim the System Man"
Everything on my web pages is
Totally FREE with nothing to sell
http://hometown.aol.com/jimferr/profile.html 


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Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


All presses should go to the odds.. got that
The tricky part of playing 1 pass w/ odds and 2 come with odds is
knowing when you've made enough to give you the "right" to press.
I know it probably depends on many factors: 7/11/craps when your come
bet is working etc
Generally, can I assume if I get 2 hits I can start pressing 1 unit
odds? 

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Gregg Cattanach Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


[email protected] wrote:
Quote:  All presses should go to the odds.. got that
The tricky part of playing 1 pass w/ odds and 2 come with odds is
knowing when you've made enough to give you the "right" to press.
I know it probably depends on many factors: 7/11/craps when your come
bet is working etc
Generally, can I assume if I get 2 hits I can start pressing 1 unit
odds?

There really is not right or wrong way to do this. Basically you have $30
on the layout, ($5 bets), so if you've pocketed two wins, ($20 + the exta
from the odds), you could start playing with $10 odds instead of $5 on just
your passline bet. Win again, and start playing with $10 odds on the two
come bets.
But anything that seems to make sense to you is fine. All that's really
going on is that your increasing your average bet size for the session. And
doing that slowly when you're ahead is probably a good idea.
Gregg C. 

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Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Gregg Cattanach wrote:
Quote: 
There really is not right or wrong way to do this. Basically you
have $30
on the layout, ($5 bets), so if you've pocketed two wins, ($20 + the
exta
from the odds), you could start playing with $10 odds instead of $5
on just
your passline bet. Win again, and start playing with $10 odds on the
two
come bets.
But anything that seems to make sense to you is fine. All that's
really
going on is that your increasing your average bet size for the
session. And
doing that slowly when you're ahead is probably a good idea.
Gregg C.

Thanks for the info. What I've found is that the pass/2 come bets has
alot of staying power even through the coldest tables as opposed to
what I used to do.
I used to wait until the point was established (aka no money on the
pass) and I put $22 inside (including the point if it was inside). The
followed the following pattern:
1st hit: Take down bet and winnings
2nd hit: Same bet take winnings
3rd hit: Place the number for one unit that you took down
At this point I covered my $22 on the table (give or take $12)
4th hit  end: Press one unit
Needless to say this was very exciting when the shooter got on a roll
and rolled a ton of inside numbers.
I am looking to do something similar with the pass/2 or 3 come bets. 

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Alan Shank Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


On 4 Apr 2005 10:24:35 0700, "Jim Ferr" <[email protected]> wrote:
Quote:  Can anyone provide me a press strategy with my >pattern using the
winnings ? Remember I consider breaking even >for a shooter a "win".
Even losing $5 a shooter isn't considered terrible.
This is not a "press strategy" but it is similar to what you do and one
of my favorites, as posted on my web site:
Step 1, Table Selection
Let's start by picking the table. We will be looking for a table that
is fairly hot. We are looking for as many as possible of these table
selection rules (as modified in Step 2): Are there other players who
are happy and winning bets? Do some of them have "many" chips with at
least some "higher" denomination ($25 and up) chips? Are the dealers
cheery and joining in the fun? Are there at least several bets on the
center bets such as hardways or yo, et cetera? These are usually signs
of a relatively hot table. It is not very likely that these conditions
will be present or suddenly appear on a cold or choppy table. We
should never play this method at a cold or choppy table.

Forget about this crap. It's superstitious nonsense!
Past results give no information about future results when dealing
with random, independent events.
Cheers,
Alan Shank 

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Gregg Cattanach Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Alan Shank wrote:
Quote:  On 4 Apr 2005 10:24:35 0700, "Jim Ferr" <[email protected]> wrote:
Step 1, Table Selection
Let's start by picking the table. We will be looking for a table
that is fairly hot. We are looking for as many as possible of
these table selection rules (as modified in Step 2): Are there
other players who are happy and winning bets? Do some of them have
"many" chips with at least some "higher" denomination ($25 and up)
chips? Are the dealers cheery and joining in the fun? Are there at
least several bets on the center bets such as hardways or yo, et
cetera? These are usually signs of a relatively hot table. It is not
very likely that these conditions will be present or suddenly appear
on a cold or choppy table. We should never play this method at a
cold or choppy table.
Forget about this crap. It's superstitious nonsense!
Past results give no information about future results when dealing
with random, independent events.

Agreed. This is like when I win a backgammon match and my opponent says
"you are so lucky!". I tell them "it's not a congenital condition, but I
wish it was". I WAS lucky in that match. The craps table WAS hot for some
period of time in the past, but that doesn't mean the table IS hot or will
continue to BE hot.

Gregg C. 

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Nag Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Of course it gambling. I have found the hardest thing for most people is
walking away. I have only met a few people that actually could walk with a
couple of grand in their hands. Either side of the line. Thats why I get
good and drunk on house booze. Its like ultimate escape from reality, no
clocks, constant adreniline, no tv, smoking, lots of noise and dam good
hospitality. 

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The Midnight Skulker Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Quote:  What I've found is that the pass/2 come bets has alot of staying power
even through the coldest tables as opposed to what I used to do.

It has a lower overall house advantage, and while you're getting up on
the numbers the new come/pass bets soften the blow of the Devil.
Quote:  I used to wait until the point was established (aka no money on the
pass) and I put $22 inside (including the point if it was inside).
The[n] followed the following pattern:
1st hit: Take down bet and winnings
2nd hit: Same bet take winnings
3rd hit: Place the number for one unit that you took down
At this point I covered my $22 on the table (give or take $12)
4th hit  end: Press one unit

Well, I can see why your wins have been few and far between. After the
fourth hit you're up $28, but you then put $44 on the table, so it takes
>five< hits before you're guaranteed to profit from the series.
Quote:  Needless to say this was very exciting when the shooter got on a roll
and rolled a ton of inside numbers.

Yes indeed, for after the fifth hit your wealth increases rapidly, and
after the eighth hit it increases >very< rapidly.
Quote:  I am looking to do something similar with the pass/2 or 3 come bets.

Given what I presume is your risktaking profile (a few bonanzas among
more frequent much smaller losses), how about the following?
1. Make pass/come bets with single odds to a maximum of three
numbers.
2. First hit: Reduce the number of numbers you are on to two, but
take double odds on those.
3. Second hit: Place the number that just hit for one unit and make
a new pass/come bet, taking double odds.
4. Third hit: If the place bet, press one unit and don't count it
as a hit; if a pass/come bet make two new pass/come bets with
double odds, taking down the place bet after the second
pass/come is established.
5. Subsequent hits: Make a new pass/come bet, pressing one unit on
the odds.
Only increase your flat pass/come bet when it is replacing one that had
the maximum amount of odds allowed, and then take only the same amount
of odds that you took on the bet that won. If a pass/come bet loses to
craps drop only that bet back to one unit with single odds, then press
the odds one unit per hit to the maximum.
One caveat: do not even think  I say again, DO NOT EVEN THINK  about
using a $500 promo chip for odds  unless you want to.
1 2
 The Midnight Skulker
9 * 3 aka Van Lewis
aka [email protected]
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Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Hmm I may have misexplained my previous betting pattern.
On the 4th hit and any hit after that, I do not press one unit on the
entire inside. I only press one unit on the number that was hit.
Given this: Is the pattern you described as aggressive as my previous
pattern? 

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The Midnight Skulker Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Press strategy needed please 


Quote:  I used to wait until the point was established (aka no money on
the pass) and I put $22 inside (including the point if it was
inside). The[n] followed the following pattern:
1st hit: Take down bet and winnings
2nd hit: Same bet take winnings
3rd hit: Place the number for one unit that you took down
At this point I covered my $22 on the table (give or take $12)
4th hit  end: Press one unit
Given what I presume is your risktaking profile (a few bonanzas
among more frequent much smaller losses), how about the following?
1. Make pass/come bets with single odds to a maximum of three
numbers.
2. First hit: Reduce the number of numbers you are on to two,
but take double odds on those.
3. Second hit: Place the number that just hit for one unit and
make a new pass/come bet, taking double odds.
4. Third hit: If the place bet, press one unit and don't count
it as a hit; if a pass/come bet make two new pass/come bets
with double odds, taking down the place bet after the second
pass/come is established.
5. Subsequent hits: Make a new pass/come bet, pressing one unit
on the odds.
Only increase your flat pass/come bet when it is replacing one that
had the maximum amount of odds allowed, and then take only the same
amount of odds that you took on the bet that won. If a pass/come
bet loses to craps drop only that bet back to one unit with single
odds, then press the odds one unit per hit to the maximum.
Hmm I may have misexplained my previous betting pattern.
On the 4th hit and any hit after that, I do not press one unit on the
entire inside. I only press one unit on the number that was hit.
Given this: Is the pattern you described as aggressive as my previous
pattern?

I think it is slightly more aggressive. With your $22 inside strategy
you start with 4 units at risk.
After hit #1: profit = 1+ unit, 3 units at risk.
After hit #2: profit = 2+ units, 3 units at risk.
After hit #3: profit = 4 units, 4 units at risk.
After hit #4: profit = 5 units, 5 units at risk.
Although your net exposure decreases with each hit it still takes five
hits before you are sure to show a profit for the series.
With my strategy (and ignoring natural winners and losers) you start
with 6 units at risk.
After hit #1: profit = 2+ units, 6 units at risk.
After hit #2: profit = 7 units, 7 units at risk.
After hit #3:
If place: profit = 8 units, 8 units at risk.
If come: profit = 10 units, 9 units at risk.
You have more exposure at the beginning of a series, but you reach the
breakeven point sooner. As previously noted, though, the profit
numbers are approximate; actual results from a series can vary wildly
due to naturals, come bets falling to Pass Line comeout sevens, and
points that were made.
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