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cjv1212
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 Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: poker crash course - what would you do |
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Here's a hypothetical:
You are handed a student, who has never played poker, ever. They're
being entered into the WSOP main event. And it's up to you to get them
in game shape...
Your incentive: For the time you spend you'll be paid the equivilent
to what you typically earn (at poker, your job, whatever you do), PLUS
half of their winnings. the cost to you is zero.
How would you proceed? |
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pokerchimp
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: Re: poker crash course - what would you do |
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Lederer's DVDs, Harrington's book, hands on play.
On Apr 21 2005 3:46 AM, cjv1212 wrote:
| Quote: | Here's a hypothetical:
You are handed a student, who has never played poker, ever. They're
being entered into the WSOP main event. And it's up to you to get them
in game shape...
Your incentive: For the time you spend you'll be paid the equivilent
to what you typically earn (at poker, your job, whatever you do), PLUS
half of their winnings. the cost to you is zero.
How would you proceed?
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cjv1212
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: Re: poker crash course - what would you do |
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Also, the student is smart. great at math, above average memory, gets
good scores on pattern recognition sections of IQ tests, etc. good
ilk, but has never played poker. |
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pokerAddict
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: Re: poker crash course - what would you do |
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1) teach him the basics of poker- have him memorize the hand rankings; teach him
how to read a board, how to find the nuts
2) have him watch over my shoulder while I played $5 NL Sit N Goes for about two
or three sit N goes
3) watch him play two or three $5 NL sit N goes, giving advice.
4) give him / buy him Masque World Series of Poker and tell him to play it
5) have him watch over my shoulder while I played a $200 Sunday tournament on
line
6) watch him / help him while he played a $200 Sunday afternoon tournament on
line
7) teach him about live play- protecting cards, how to place bets, tells to look
for and tells to avoid giving.
8) Take him to a card club / casino for some live play at low limit
9) have him enter a live play tourney
10) have him read Super System, Skalnsky's tournament book
11) have him start reading this forum and 2+2 and Negraneu's blog entries that
have to do with tournament play; read some other poker blog entries where they
talk about no limit tournaments;
12) play some short handed poker in case he makes it to a final table
13) have him play some $5 heads up games on line in case he ends up heads up
14) have him read McManus' book
15) repeat steps 4, 6 and 9
On Apr 21 2005 2:46 AM, cjv1212 wrote:
| Quote: | Here's a hypothetical:
You are handed a student, who has never played poker, ever. They're
being entered into the WSOP main event. And it's up to you to get them
in game shape...
Your incentive: For the time you spend you'll be paid the equivilent
to what you typically earn (at poker, your job, whatever you do), PLUS
half of their winnings. the cost to you is zero.
How would you proceed?
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deadwood
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: poker crash course - what would you do |
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All of the advice above is good. Another thing I wish I had was to have a good
player watch me play in online tournaments explaining what they should do on
each hand and why.
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Adam Fratino
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: poker crash course - what would you do |
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David Sklansky wrote about this situation in one of his books. I don't remember
the specifics, but he only had an hour to prep her and she had never played
before.
His proposed plan was:
1. All-in with AA
2. All-in with KK
3. All-in with AKs
4. Fold everything else
With absolutely no variations to the strategy, she lasted very long and lost
when her KK faced an AA. I also remember him writing something about her father
trying out the same plan in a smaller tournament the day before and finishing
4th.
Personally, I don't understand how someone could not pick up on this after her
first two hands. The only way I can see it working is if players were moved so
frequently that nobody had a chance to get a read on her (or her father).
On Apr 21 2005 3:46 AM, cjv1212 wrote:
| Quote: | Here's a hypothetical:
You are handed a student, who has never played poker, ever. They're
being entered into the WSOP main event. And it's up to you to get them
in game shape...
Your incentive: For the time you spend you'll be paid the equivilent
to what you typically earn (at poker, your job, whatever you do), PLUS
half of their winnings. the cost to you is zero.
How would you proceed?
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chrisptp
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: poker crash course - what would you do |
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sklansky had to teach someone like the week before the tournament, and
in his description he never clarified what to do with the blinds...
i really liked the list posted earlier but would make a few minor
modifications:
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1) teach him the basics of poker- have him memorize the hand rankings; |
teach him how to read a board, how to find the nuts
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great first step but i'd couple it with some actual play at low stakes |
NL tables online. makes the learning go a lot quicker.
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4) give him / buy him Masque World Series of Poker and tell him to play it
I would put the SIM step a lot higher, and cut out a lot of other steps |
so that more focus can be put here. there's just no substitute for
sheer number of hands and a good program that can give you decisive
feedback on common tournament situations.
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5) have him watch over my shoulder while I played a $200 Sunday |
tournament on
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6) watch him / help him while he played a $200 Sunday afternoon
tournament on
line
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i think at least one of these should be replaced with sim play |
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 Take him to a card club / casino for some live play at low limit |
9) have him enter a live play tourney
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i'd just make both of these tournament situations so that you avoid the |
normal confusion between live and tournament strategy.
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10) have him read Super System, Skalnsky's tournament book
i'd skip super system for the reasons outlined above |
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12) play some short handed poker in case he makes it to a final table |
13) have him play some $5 heads up games on line in case he ends up heads up
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here's where i'd put the SNG play - the tournament feel of shorthanded |
and HU is much different than ring.
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14) have him read McManus' book
on the plane maybe |
great list
chris / ptp
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| Quote: | David Sklansky wrote about this in "Tournament Poker For Advanced Players." He
was asked by a wealthy Casino operator (I think) to teach his daughter to play
in like 3 or 4 days so she could compete in the WSOP. He decided the only way
she could avoid getting outplayed was to just go all-in any time she was likely
to have the best starting hand (AA,KK, AK). The girl's father did try this out
and finished at the final table of the tourney he played (Sklansky beleives he
would have finished higher if he'd stuck with the plan, but the guy decided to
switch up when he made the final table and the pros ate him up).
He later expanded on the strategy to add a mathematical equation to determione
when and if to go all-in. All-in was the only play he allowed because it takes
all decision making out of the game. Most pros like to see a flop and outplay
you afterwards, they prefer to avoid getting all the money in before the flop
unless they know they have you beat because of the high variance in outcomes.
Annie Duke also writes about this in her journal about the WSOP Tournament of
Champions (Howard was doing this and she caught on and started to as well).
The bottom line is if you try to teach someone to really play in such a short
period of time they just won't gain the necessary experience to cope with
difficult situations.
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