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 Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: Omaha8...do you play this hand? |
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Middle position, pot limit omaha hi/lo, you have KK55 double suited. Do you even
bother trying to limp in and see a flop with this starting hand, or do you just
muck? I know you have no shot at a low, so I would muck. What if you were on
the button, with maybe only one caller, do you limp?
Doza
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Captain Rebuy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Omaha8...do you play this hand? |
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from middle position i would muck, i may play this with few callers on the
button because your double suited. with lots of players behind you and no shot
at the low, you really need the nut flushes to be safe if u are only shooting at
the high. 1 caller on the button I would consider raising be4 calling.
On Apr 21 2005 6:50 PM, Doza wrote:
| Quote: | Middle position, pot limit omaha hi/lo, you have KK55 double suited. Do you
even
bother trying to limp in and see a flop with this starting hand, or do you
just
muck? I know you have no shot at a low, so I would muck. What if you were on
the button, with maybe only one caller, do you limp?
Doza
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GrouchySmurf1002
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Omaha8...do you play this hand? |
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Your theory of "going high" is a justifiable one, but KK55 isn't a hand
that has much high potential. Mainly you need a king to play with any
confidence, and even then you're going to end up drawing (yes, a set is a
drawing hand in omaha) for half the pot alot of the time. The 55 is
practically useless (except for 55x flops), and thus you're playing with 2
cards against everyone else's 4. Bad news.
Yes, you could flop a nut flush draw with it, but the A on board is
generally going to bring alot of raising that could price you off your
draw anyway.
Also, the question is playing the hand in MP. The possibility of facing
a raise behind you makes it a very easy fold pre-flop.
On the button with one limper (especially a weak-tight limper), the hand
might be worth a raise (not a call, you want the blinds gone so you can
play heads-up with position). However, then you're not playing it for
the value of KK55, but more because you have position and ANY high flop is
probably going to get the weak-tight player to fold (assuming he even
calls your raise).
On Apr 21 2005 10:13 AM, FuzzyDog wrote:
| Quote: | Here's how I play:
Expand your thinking, 'going high' can be a profitable strategy if there is a
large number of callers in a loose game. 40% of the time there will not be a
low at all.
Go for it. (Yeah, I know it is a 2nd nut draw. But if someone has the Ace,
it
still must be suited. If you hit and get re-raised, slow down. More
applicable
in a limit game).
Also, if you flop a King (7:5-1), you have a great nut high draw.
If the flop doesn't 'fit', ditch it.
Keep this in mind, you must import a (somewhat) different set of concepts in
a
pot limit game. There is the implied odds consideration. One writer
expressed
this consideration as, "wagering a toothpick to win a forrest" in pot-limit
Omaha8.
P.S. - Please feel free to refute my post. If you think this is a leak,
please
let me know and tell me why.
-- Fuzzy
On Apr 21 2005 4:50 AM, Doza wrote:
Middle position, pot limit omaha hi/lo, you have KK55 double suited. Do you
even
bother trying to limp in and see a flop with this starting hand, or do you
just
muck? I know you have no shot at a low, so I would muck. What if you
were on
the button, with maybe only one caller, do you limp?
Doza
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FuzzyDog
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Omaha8...do you play this hand? |
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Thanks for your insight - clearly i'm a loose player
On Apr 21 2005 10:34 AM, GrouchySmurf1002 wrote:
| Quote: | Your theory of "going high" is a justifiable one, but KK55 isn't a hand
that has much high potential. Mainly you need a king to play with any
confidence, and even then you're going to end up drawing (yes, a set is a
drawing hand in omaha) for half the pot alot of the time. The 55 is
practically useless (except for 55x flops), and thus you're playing with 2
cards against everyone else's 4. Bad news.
Yes, you could flop a nut flush draw with it, but the A on board is
generally going to bring alot of raising that could price you off your
draw anyway.
Also, the question is playing the hand in MP. The possibility of facing
a raise behind you makes it a very easy fold pre-flop.
On the button with one limper (especially a weak-tight limper), the hand
might be worth a raise (not a call, you want the blinds gone so you can
play heads-up with position). However, then you're not playing it for
the value of KK55, but more because you have position and ANY high flop is
probably going to get the weak-tight player to fold (assuming he even
calls your raise).
On Apr 21 2005 10:13 AM, FuzzyDog wrote:
Here's how I play:
Expand your thinking, 'going high' can be a profitable strategy if there is
a
large number of callers in a loose game. 40% of the time there will not be
a
low at all.
Go for it. (Yeah, I know it is a 2nd nut draw. But if someone has the Ace,
it
still must be suited. If you hit and get re-raised, slow down. More
applicable
in a limit game).
Also, if you flop a King (7:5-1), you have a great nut high draw.
If the flop doesn't 'fit', ditch it.
Keep this in mind, you must import a (somewhat) different set of concepts in
a
pot limit game. There is the implied odds consideration. One writer
expressed
this consideration as, "wagering a toothpick to win a forrest" in pot-limit
Omaha8.
P.S. - Please feel free to refute my post. If you think this is a leak,
please
let me know and tell me why.
-- Fuzzy
On Apr 21 2005 4:50 AM, Doza wrote:
Middle position, pot limit omaha hi/lo, you have KK55 double suited. Do
you
even
bother trying to limp in and see a flop with this starting hand, or do you
just
muck? I know you have no shot at a low, so I would muck. What if you
were on
the button, with maybe only one caller, do you limp?
Doza
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